Christians, did ya vote Bush? One up for God?

Originally posted by ubermunche
I don't like the way that some Christians (and others of differing religious persuasion) seem to imply that theirs is the only relationship with God that counts, that their moral spectrum is the only one that's relevant. That's spiritual elitism and elitsm only leads to suppression or alienation of those not a part of that particular group. How can any one group Christian, Muslim, New Age or Hindu know their path is the only correct one when God and the spiritual workings of the universe must be so vast and almost incomprehensible to us that all you can hope to do is make a choice and believe/hope it is right one for you, not concerning yourself with what path, religious or secular, that others choose. Who is so arragant that they can define what an acceptable personal moral choice is then inflict it on the rest of the world. That's why religion and politics should not be mixed. Why can't people accept that.

Originally posted by LostSailor
I don't think the Africans are supporting and advocating terrorist attacks against the US. I do hope we help with the current situation in Africa too however.

Originally posted by elevatedone
President Bush is not the anti-christ.....


President Bush is not evil...


Can't people get this through thier heads... argghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Originally posted by TrueLies


Me too, advocting terrorist attacks is the doing on Bin Laden and Al Qaida supports it, my main point is that we should concentrating our efforts on that, not Hussein who wasn't an "imminent threat" as much as Bin Laden was and still is.

How do you argue that? Bush puts his foot in his mouth everytime he tries to justify it... I believe it can't be justified, Hussein was a dick a huge dick, and I would love to sucker punch him and tie his nut hairs in a huge waud then set them on fire to say the least, but Bin Laden would be thee man I would go after since he made the embassy bombings happen and the wtc, so the concentrated efforts are diverted and thats something I just don't understand.

Of course hussein supported it, but he wasn't the one who carried attacks out, bin laden did, and bin laden had and has the organization Al Qaida.
whats up with that?

Originally posted by LostSailor
Are you actually compairing America to the Taliban now? What the heck is wrong here?

Originally posted by yekway
Hi peeps

I would like to point out that the bible is and has been twisted for mankinds evil agenda, yup there is some truths to it but really people the American admin has you guys fooled. Big time!

Voting Bush or Kerry does not matter ethier way the whole world loses.

Now for God.

Hmmmm...

God loves Gays, fat people, (even women!) - Joke!.

God does not like Satan, does not like evil or things like war. But when push comes to shove God wont mess around, God will do what God thinks what will be done.

As for what happens in the world and all the bad things and the rest of it, God knows what needs to be done people, remember God is the creator of all things. It does not matter if you are christian or muslim or athiest you are still Gods people and if you live your life the best you can, you never know

Heaven may await, I dont know yet I pesronally havent got that far, but when I do I ll let you all know!

Anyway.......

For all you guys out there reading this thinking Im talking about a wrathful father figure type of OverLoard

God maybe a smart wonderful sexy classy (and maybe great sense of humor) Woman.

Im a man and I would love if God was a woman, at least it would make some sense how women are getting thiers again. And more power to you girls.

Laterz

Originally posted by godservant

If you start turning this into a Christian country, it will no longer be a free country.

Originally posted by LostSailor
Only since about the 60's with the free love and peace movement did our country start falling from its Christian values.

Originally posted by LostSailor


Turning it into a Christian country? It was founded on Christianity.

Little-Known U.S. Document Signed by President Adams Proclaims America's Government Is Secular

by Jim Walker

Some people today assert that the United States government came from Christian foundations. They argue that our political system represents a Christian ideal form of government and that Jefferson, Madison, et al, had simply expressed Christian values while framing the Constitution. If this proved true, then we should have a wealth of evidence to support it, yet just the opposite proves the case.

Although, indeed, many of America's colonial statesmen practiced Christianity, our most influential Founding Fathers broke away from traditional religious thinking. The ideas of the Great Enlightenment that began in Europe had begun to sever the chains of monarchical theocracy. These heretical European ideas spread throughout early America. Instead of relying on faith, people began to use reason and science as their guide. The humanistic philosophical writers of the Enlightenment, such as Locke, Rousseau, and Voltaire, had greatly influenced our Founding Fathers and Isaac Newton's mechanical and mathematical foundations served as a grounding post for their scientific reasoning.

A few Christian fundamentalists attempt to convince us to return to the Christianity of early America, yet according to the historian, Robert T. Handy, "No more than 10 percent-- probably less-- of Americans in 1800 were members of congregations."

The Founding Fathers, also, rarely practiced Christian orthodoxy. Although they supported the free exercise of any religion, they understood the dangers of religion. Most of them believed in deism and attended Freemasonry lodges. According to John J. Robinson, "Freemasonry had been a powerful force for religious freedom." Freemasons took seriously the principle that men should worship according to their own conscious. Masonry welcomed anyone from any religion or non-religion, as long as they believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette, and many others accepted Freemasonry.