Debunking false claims about Jehovah's Witnesses. 1-14

has the possibility ever occurred to you that that ability was taken away from them so as to prevent a nephilim problem in the future?

seems logical to me that if the nephilim ruined the world to a point that god had to intervene, that god would prevent the possibility from happening again.

ofcourse you are going to believe what you want.



a god of love makes an eternal hell for all those "unbelievers" to roast forever no matter what they did.

im sorry, but you believe in the doctrines of the devil. because only the devil would come up with something that sick.

i love it when you post these videos

their arguments basically boil down to "your wrong because *assumption*"

and that is apparently proof for you?

assumption.

listen, im not even a JW,and i can see that JW's adhere to the bible more faithfully than any "church" i have ever seen.

if you think BS like the immortality of the soul, the trinity, and hellfire is gospel, then you are seriously mixed up. i have been involved in multiple threads on each subject and have found the philosophies in support of such doctrine in serious want. the only way these doctrines are supported is by twisting and twisting until the scripture fits. i seen some scripture literally interpreted in the exact OPPOSITE direction than the scripture is actually saying!

let the bible speak for itself.



"you workers of lawlessness"

did not jesus say that christians would be measured by their fruitage? didnt he say they would be known for their love.

you think the church is christian when it sends soldiers on crusades?
what about the inquisition?
what about when they bless troops to kill fellow christians on the other side?
turning a blind eye to the holocaust?
inciting riots against other christian faiths?

feel the love.

lol

ok, so he believes in what he doesnt understand. i get it.

but one thing he never answers is, what happens when scriptures seem to contradict? he seems to prefer to say that jw's twist scripture to make it fit, but its the other way around.

jw's handle "contradicting scriptures" better than anyone else.

the gospel of john is prime example. verse after verse you have jesus shown as a separate person from god. yet... john 1:1 jesus is being called "a god". john 10:30 jesus is saying him and god are one.

so which is it? is jesus god or god's son?

any reasonable logical person sees that it cant be both. someone CANNOT be his own son. and its highly unlikely that god would make such a conflicting and confusing claim.

so JW's look deeper.

john 1:1, god can be a title. satan is even called a god. well this explains things nicely

john 10:30 , jesus later says in john 17 that his followers are one just as he and his father or one. ahh so one means unity

saying, "i dont understand" and leaving it at that without seeing if maybe you missed something or misunderstand is "stupid"

stupid - 1 a: slow of mind b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c: lacking intelligence or reason :

the bible tells us to be reasonable

hebrews 5:[14] But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

being dogmatic is lacking of reason, or being "stupid"

4 or 5 verses that elude to a possibility that jesus is god vs. entire gospels that say jesus is the son and is not god.

reason says you are missing something

makes you think right?

is it any surprise that the trinity is found in almost identical form in alot of pagan religions through out history and that it doesnt appear in church doctrin until about the 4 century?

I meant to give a little critique on the experience I had of going to the local Southern Baptist Convention affiliated church. They had some sort of drive to bring new people in to check them out and I decided that was a good opportunity to see what they had to offer. They had a church service geared, apparently, towards people who were not already saved and could have a presentation of the Gospel given to them, with an opportunity to accept Jesus.
After sitting through it I was surprised anyone came forward at the end. It seemed to just barely touch on the fact that we needed to be saved, in the first place. It gave no mention whatsoever about the role of the Holy spirit or even faith. The final appeal was to whether or not you wanted to follow the will of God, without explaining what that was, how we would know what it is, or how we could possibly do it, even if we wanted to.
I felt bad after this sermon and I mentioned to the person I was with that I thought I was going to hell. The people around me turned their backs on me and got clear as fast as possible. I guess if I can sit through a sermon like that and still not feel "saved" I must be a wretched sinner.
Maybe I am being too critical and I guess it might be possible for some of these people to be saved. It is not up to me to judge them but I feel like I need to evangelize these people somehow. I do not know if that is possible but I feel like that church is a spiritual wasteland.


[edit on 30-6-2009 by jmdewey60]