'Muslim only' special perks

Islamic mortgages:
www.themoneystop.co.uk...



I suppose 'no interest charges' on mortgages would be an attractive and appealing proposition to everyone but why are these services not available to non muslims?

Is it just yet another case of appaulling double standards and hysterically hypocritical 'special treatment' for members of this specific organised religious cult/sect?

Other preferential treatment:

Muslim only housing developments:
www.thewest.com.au...

Muslim only swimming pool sessions
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Muslim only Alton Towers day
www.thesun.co.uk...

Muslim only bathrooms:
www.news.com.au...

Muslim only radio shows:
islamineurope.blogspot.com...

Muslim only dating service:
www.muslimonly.com...

Muslim only cities:
blog.camera.org...

Muslim only areas in the UK:
mypetjawa.mu.nu...

Muslim only prisons:
www.thisislondon.co.uk...

Muslim only banks:
michellemalkin.com...

Muslim only gymnasiums:
www.salaam.co.uk...

One could be forgiven for thinking muslims foster some kind of nazi-esque supremacist delusion and have absolutely no intention of intergrating with the rest of humanity.

Can you imagine the fervent outcry of righteous indignation and hysterical claims of intolerance and prejudice if
they had an Alton towers day just for non muslims;a dating site which forbade people of the islamist opinion to join;a gymnasium for 'kuffars' only?

I suppose by taking this wholly bigoted and divisive course of action the instigators feel that many people will feel compelled to 'become muslim' just to be afforded all the special privileges the group enjoy.

Is this not absolute prejudice against non muslims (or inferior kuffars as they are known in some parts of the muslim world) - if not why not?


[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

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Look karl 12, I really respect and appreciate your contributions in the UFO board.

But a statement like the one above is prejudiced in it's own right with all due respect.

I don't want to go off-topic but "inferior kuffars"?.. I'm a Muslim, so who the heck told you that we see others in this way? .. yes in some cases.. there are some uneducated idiots in this world who believe this... NOT due to their religion, but due to being uneducated and being taught Islam by an equally uneducated person.

Truth of the matter is that every religion looks at the other religion in the same way.

But if there is any belief system that considers others inferior.. well.. I better keep my mouth shut before I get labeled an anti-semite or a terrorist.

Peace K12,

Maj

Clearly Sir you have a problem with Muslims! Had you done the slightest bit of research instead of relying on the BNP website and the daily racist newspaper to get your 'facts' you would have found very quickly, as I have, an Islamic mortgage available to anyone from the Islamic Bank of Britain.

www.islamic-bank.com...


Would you like me to do all your research for you?

Ok here's a tip

Go to www.google.co.uk
type in Islamic mortgage for non Muslims
Click search and the second link is the Islamic Bank of Britain.

Don't even get me started on your spelling, tells me pretty much all I need to know.

Yes apologies -that remark will be duly edited to:

Is this not absolute prejudice against non muslims (or inferior kuffars as they are known 'in some parts of' the muslim world) - if not why not?

How do you feel about all the premeditated segregation occuring in the name of your religion?

I do beleive that not all muslims agree with or condone this 'special treatment' as it may very well lead to more animosity and/or claims of inherent superiority.

Beleive it or not I do have one or two muslim friends and in private they are just as critical as I am at this seemingly divisive and bigoted islamist agenda (yet never voice their opinions in public for fear of being labelled a bad muslim).

Cheers

I think you are trying to give these stories the 'Sun Newspaper Treatment'.

It is only you and other mischief makers that are twisting the news items.

Example;



As far as I can tell it has not been verified because the writer says that it was considered in secrecy. Further it is the government making this decisions for good reason. I always find it laughable when prisoners murder each other because of some bizarre anti-social morality.

The Islamic banking practices will be licensed in the UK and will be available to everyone. In the UK we do not carry IDs with our religion stamped on yet so I don't know how banks will differentiate a Muslim from a non-Muslim. Many converts keep their Christian or Jewish names for convenience and to honour their heritage. we also have equal opportunities and anti-discrimination laws.

If was wealthy enough to build my own housing estate and very religious, I would like to live with other religious people.

Non-Muslim religious communities;

Hamlets of Five Towns, New York - Jewish



Christian town, Ave Maria, Florida - Christian.


You are just trying to be provocative.

What do you think would happen if there was an ''Mortgages for White people in the UK Only'' or ''Loans For Christians Only''. Anytime we hear there is an ''White Only'' or ''Men Only'' everybody has a problem, it offends people. It would be on BBPC or Sky NEWS rght away. But if it a ''Muslim Only"" or ''Woman Only'', no body would care. I don't like that! You starting to see alot of things like this these days, and it aint to good!

And you wonder why Hitler became the person he became!!







[edit on 8-1-2009 by TSOM87]

Mortgages are available to non muslims so you don't have a point there.

What I think is perhaps a more interesting point is the remark about how we have 'muslim only' theme park days and 'muslim only' gyms.

My local gym has a given time where the pool is closed off and shutters are put across the windows so Muslim women can bath without men being able to see.

There is also a Muslim owned/run gym which is Muslim only and advertises as such - 'exclusively Muslim gym' and cites itself as being suitable for Muslim women who require heightened levels of privacy. They have a separate area for men and women. Their policy on joining is 'you must be a member of the local mosque' - which I believe owns the gym - to be able to join - hence making it effectively Muslim only.

Looks like they exploit a loophole as they use the 'must be a member of the Mosque' thing to get around overtly saying 'no non Muslims'.

Whilst I appreciate that some of the tenants of Islam might prevent Muslims from using a conventional gym, especially women - it is THIER CHOICE to be Muslims and to live in the UK where we don't generally segregate gyms etc. Thus it is my thinking that people should either conform or perhaps go and live in a nation that is more 'Muslim friendly' - like Saudi Arabia.

This might sounds strong - but think about it - they have the CHOICE - I'm not being given a choice when it comes to attending their gym (which would be much more convenient as it is the closest gym to my house).

I understand that private institutions can pick and chose members - but come one - as the OP rightly said - imagine the out cry if someone opened a 'blacks only gym' or had 'whites only hour in the pool' - this would not only be illegal, it would spark riots!

So why is it that minority groups can command such things?

BTW - I also find fault with things like 'gay night' in bars/nightclubs - I think these are discriminatory too. Gays are quite welcome to come to any club I goto - but they shouldn't be allowed to have a 'gay only night'.

With certain muslims fostering delusions of grandeur and thinking they are somehow more superior to other human beings and thus deserving of special privileges above everybody else,yes.



That is just so typical - accuse someone of being a BNP member or insinuate the 'racist nazi' angle because of daring to criticise examples of religiously inspired intolerance and prejudice.

I think the BNP and certain islamic organisations operating in the UK (like the muslim brotherhood association of Britain) have far more in common than they like to think -fostering (and promoting) feelings of bigotry and prejudice being a major comparative factor.



Thanks for clarifying that point -admittedly I should have researched further before asking the question.

What are your feelings about the rest of the links featuring
'muslim only'
gynasiums,banks,dating services,swimming pool sessions,fun parks,housing developments,prisons,radio shows,bathrooms etc..

Do you feel it is a good idea?

Also do you think condemnation would be hypocritical if the boot was on the other foot?



[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Well I think I do owe you an apology for jumping on you and making unfounded accusations. You seem to be open minded and wanting genuinely to look at both sides of the story and for that I applaud you.

Also I make spelling mistakes too

I think you would find Christian/Jewish/Hindu/men/woman/ swimming pools/houses/beaches or whatever so I don’t see a problem with Muslim only things.

Edit Spelling mistake seen instead of seem. See I do make them too

[edit on 8-1-2009 by arnold_vosloo]

There are some that claim that Muslims living in the West are given special privilege- some of the posts above reflect that. However, if one points out those special rights, one is immediately accused of being anti-Muslim or Islamophobic. It's a catch 22- give a group special rights, and if you deny them, or even point them out, you're racist.

There's a book on it called Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer. Those inclined to read might want to check it out.

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Arnold-Thanks for the kind words,I suppose the bottom line is that noone should be afforded any kind of special privileges over anyone else because of the humanistic (as well as scientific) observation that we are all of equal worth (or 'worth the same salt' as the saying goes).

To my mind organised religion doesn't seem to respect or acknowledge this sentiment as it inherently promotes the (unoriginal,predictable?) mindset that its specific members are somehow more special/saved/chosen/holy/superior to other human beings.

In the real world noone should be treated differently to anyone else;particularly when it comes to something as ambivalent,vague,contradictory and non provable as religious opinion.

There is a school of thought that ,because of an absolute lack of tangible,cogent evidence, organised religion should be afforded absolutely no authority whatsoever outside its respective temples of worship and I wholeheartedly agree with it.
Cheers Karl

PS Checked for spelling
PPS Like the avatar!




[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

why was this moved to BTS?!? never mind, doesn't matter i suppose, it's unlikely that it's because it'll get less coverage here.

there is an interesting trend developing where muslims demand segregation in the western world due to religious views, or segregate themselves, whether it is actually racist or not is a really important question.

if i asserted that because of my political views, i do not wish people of a different ethnic group to bath at the same time as me or live near me, i would be properly assumed racist.

if i make the same claim due to religious beliefs, the assumption seems to be different. i'm not sure there are good reasons for this.

[edit on 8/1/09 by pieman]

I've also noticed this apparent contradiction.

It seems to me that tolerance is a two way street-a person cannot have it both ways.

Also ,how can criticising the actions of a religion be called 'racist' as faith is an opinion and not a geographical location.

Are you kidding me? Do you live in the UK?

Maybe in the US - but then, I don't agree with those either - as one poster said - there should be NO special treatment for any religious/ethnic group - it can only lead to hate.

In the UK - and I have done some research into this - I have been unable to find any examples of 'hindu only' 'jewish only' - 'white', 'christian' only -

Probably because if these existed they would be promptly dealt with by the law which forbids this kind of thing.

So why is it different for Muslim people?

Why are we even talking about questions of 'bringing in Sharia law' in muslim communities? We arn't talking about bringing in Hindu law? We don't let Hindu's burn their dead on funeral pyres around cities???

So why is it different for Muslim people?

When most people make a violent protest threatening death on someone - they are prosecuted for inciting murder - threatning behaviour etc. But when muslims go on protests against 'cartoons' of all things and ask for the death of the guy who drew them - it is OK.

Why is it different for Muslims?

We do not want a society of double standards. You either abide by the rules of the society you CHOOSE to live in - or you leave. That goes for anyone regardless of religion.

So I say - if Muslim women don't like working out at my gym with my fat sweaty smelly body just a few feet away from them on a treadmill - they can stay T F at home.

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Is there anything stopping a non-Muslim from using the rest room facilities? Is there anything stopping a non-Muslim from getting a no interest loan? I did not see that question addressed in those related articles.

I do disagree with the Muslim only residence. Too many countries (the US included) had separate but "equal" facilities and we saw how that went. If someone want to build a Muslim friendly housing complex, but allow non-Muslims to live there, that is fine.

Instead of separate rest rooms, why not put in foot washing sinks in the ones already established? That would save money on construction of new rest rooms.