God is an Abortionist!

reply to post by miriam0566

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ALL sickness is sin related. EVERY bit of it. The Bible is FULL of examples of this.



Give us THIS DAY our DAILY bread.

THIS DAY, Miriam, THIS DAY!



The Israelites received NONE of the plagues! They were in slavery because of SIN (again, it wasn't random chance...it was directly related to SIN!)



I do believe we are living in the last days, but I deny that any Saint must resign themselves to sudden tragedy. Jesus said it TWICE:
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Jesus shows us how to avoid tragedies: REPENT.



No, Jesus was talking about NOW.



As I SAID: All sickness and tragedy is sin related. It isn't some random thing that happens. One can AVOID sickness and tragedy by REPENTING.

I didn't just "make this up", Miriam. The Bible relates this to us in a very concrete and distinct manner.



Paul's thorn in the flesh was no "accident" AND God specifically told him the reason WHY he was given it. Paul got bit by a snake and suffered NOTHING from it.



I think you missed the point I was making. The "them" in Eccl. 9:11 are not Saints!

Furthermore, you had better look up the quote you've forgotten. Better yet, here it is:
Mark 10:29-30 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Both now AND later.



Sigh...

Rather than type, I'll quote what the Bible says:

Psalm 91:9-12 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

The entire 91st Psalm is about Divine protection given to the Saints, NOW!

May I encourage you to read through this Psalm?

What about the wise man in Matt. 7:24-25?
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

Time and time and time again, throughout the Bible, we are given promises of safety from God. These promises have a condition attached to them:

REPENT.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

of course its sin related. we all sin, therefore we all die. we dont magically become perfect when we are baptised. if we are not perfect, then we cannot presume on god´s protection, even from accidents



bread has little to do with our salvation. even delivering us from evil has several meanings. it can also mean deliver us from temptation.



show me the scripture. first off, nowhere does it say that the oppression they felt was because of sin.

second, they felt the first 3 plagues. it wasnt until the 3 plague that god made a distinction. if that was because of sin, then what sin did they commit?



so what your implying is that noone has been faithful, ever... because everyone who has lived has died

your confusing alot of things. your also blaming god. you implying that a tragedy is somehow the result of an action by god, and simply put, it isnt.



ok, then give me a scriptural precedence for it. show me someone who is completely protected by god and who cant die.



your beliefs dont match up with reality. everyone dies. alot get sick. everyone suffers. your making it sound like god is this harsh sadistic man who punishes everyone that screws up.

if repenting protects you, then why dont christians live longer than people of other faiths? why do christians as a whole get affected by things like earthquakes and plane crashes?

it doesnt add up. jesus said that his followers would be persecuted for his name. that they would be killed. why? your reasoning doesnt explain any of this



where does it say that god gave it to him? are you implying that god would burden his follower?



so according to this, if i repent, my HIV will heal?

reply to post by jwstarry

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Can of worms there. The problem is that you think of God as someone like you. God is love. He has no fleshly body nor is he really concerned with what happens to our fleshly bodies. He is concerned with our souls and a soul never dies. I refer to God as a male only because its habit and a hard habit to break.

God is not concerned with worldly things and he has told us not to be concerned with wordly things either.

In the garden of eden he said after they had eaten the proverbial apple... Least they learn they are just like us..... so they were cast out of the garden of eden and given a skin to cover thier nakedness... not the skin of an animal but thier flesh skins.

God created this world perfectly so that everything worked perfectly and everything would live forever. Things like worry, anxiety, stress, hate, envy, greed.... all those things affect you on a molecular level and even now science is beginning to recognize this. So with all these emotions and extremes you are slowly killing the perfect body that you were given. Our bodies were never intended to eat meat for instance and that is why heart desease is the number one killer.

If you follow the teachings of jesus perfectly then you might live forever. You could even walk on water, remember? Peter walked on water then he got scared when Jesus approached and fell in. He lacked the perfect faith that would allow him to continue to walk on water but he had so much passion that Jesus built his church and put Peter in charge of it. Sometimes I wonder if perfect faith is even possible for more than an instant, just like in Peter's case when he was walking on water.

The bible has a lot of truths in it. There are stories there to illustrate the truths and like all history the stories are embelished and even changed but the simple truths are still there if you take the time to read and of course if you ask God for guidance you will be shown. Before you have even asked it will have been given to you.. if you have faith.

So remember the next time you scream that even though you can't hear it within a second or so the vibration of that scream continues out into the world and affects each person it touches on the way. Each time you have a hateful thought it creates a wave (brain waves are electrical sparks after all) that will affect things around you and continue forever. You really can think someone to death if you have the passion and the faith. lol If you don't then mostly liekly you will just cause them to have a ulcer. Ask any parent of a teenager for confirmation on this point. lol

The father, the son, the holy spirit

The thought, the word, the action/miracle

Think about it, question it, study it, ask God to explain it to you and listen for the answer, because God has more than one way to communicate with you. The answer you are looking for might be in the next song you hear on the radio, it may come from the lips of the next stranger you meet on the street. It could come to you in a dream.

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

ezek 18:[20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

reply to post by miriam0566

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I apologize for the delay in responding Miriam.

Rather than go though each and every quote and discuss them, I'd prefer to get to the heart of (what seems to me to be) your question:



You are mixing things up a bit here. I never said Christians don't die. You know that Scripture says it is appointed unto man once to die. (Yet Jesus said the Saints will never taste death)

Also, "accidents" is not equal to "martyrdom".

Miriam, I don't like to "assign homework" to folks, but you've seemed receptive to extending your scholarship. I found (a long time ago) an article that is part of a book that I really REALLY like.

Here are the links:
www.apostasynow.com...

www.apostasynow.com...

The above article says (hopefully) exactly what I'm trying to say...but the article above says it much better than I can.

Anything that I would write, here on BTS, wouldn't say it as clear as this article. (IOW, this article speaks for me...I wish I would have written it.)

If this is too much, I apologize.

If you DO read it and want to discuss it, I'd feel happy to do so.

I am sorry for "assigning homework" like this. I am (myself...sometimes) frustrated when I am asked to read an article or watch a video in order to further participate in a discussion. I don't want to unrighteously take away even a second of anyone's time making them go do something that is not profitable to them.

If, after reading the article, you think it was a complete waste of time, I apologize. If it answers certain questions and brings up others, I'm fine to discuss them.

i like homework

i just cant this exact moment since its a big read

So basically your saying that you are smart enough to understand God's thought process?
Funny I have never read about you in any of the journals where the acclaimed genius's are published.

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