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Council of Nicaea Myth Debunked




Topic started on 23-9-2008 @ 08:07 AM by Bigwhammy



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A frequently employed bible bashing canard utilized frequently on ATS by skeptics is completely debunked. The fable goes that the bible was drastically altered and manipulated at the council of Nicaea. Valuable books were spuriously excluded to the whims of the manipulative masters. The horror!

Turns out that story is proven to be based in reality about to the same degree as Goldilocks and the 3 Bears. The bigoted bible bashing Christian persecuters seem to to be rapidly running out of viable material. Ohh well, I guess there are always lies... oops that all they ever had.

Enjoy the flick.



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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 08:39 AM by Toromos


While it may be true the Council of Nicea didn't tackle the specific issue of canon formation, this formation did occur in the early church. The wiki article on the Development of the New Testament canon is pretty detailed and has good references for further reading on this topic.

There were many contentious works of the early Christian community excluded from the official Christian scripture, and this process of canon formation continued right through the Protestant Reformation, and even into today.

I personally think the conspiracy theories about canon formation being a front for hiding deep dark secrets about Jesus's "true" nature are distracting. These debates were conducted in a specific historical and socio-economic climate. It's necessary to examine not just the theological reasons why certain works were excluded, but the how and why of this exclusion at that particular time. It's really fascinating history.



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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 08:54 AM by NOTurTypical


You'd be surprised at the number of Christians who think that too. It's wrong.

Anyone who wants to know the history of the Word of God needs to read this essay, it's an amazing work of literature:

www.jesus-is-lord.com...



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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 11:10 AM by whatukno


The council of Nicaea did not have anything to do with the reformation of the church cannon, nor the editing of the biblical text. However the Council of Trent did.

A full list of the subjects covered in the catholic church can be found here. Including...The Fourth Session of The Council of Trent


Moreover, the same sacred and holy Synod,--considering that no small utility may accrue to the Church of God, if it be made known which out of all the Latin editions, now in circulation, of the sacred books, is to be held as authentic,--ordains and declares, that the said old and vulgate edition, which, by the lengthened usage of so many years, has been approved of in the Church, be, in public lectures, disputations, sermons and expositions, held as authentic; and that no one is to dare, or presume to reject it under any pretext whatever.


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Hyper-linkage: Mine

Before this council, various versions and editions of the bible were commonly used. Some bibles had books within them that others did not. The oldest complete version of the bible known to exist is the codex sinaiticus which is heavily corrected (this "correction" is just another word for edited)

So between the 3rd or 4th century when bibles were hand crafted to the 16th century, no official cannon was adopted by the church. The Council of Trent was in fact the point in time that the biblical cannon as it is known today was selected. This edition was in line with what the church sought to teach.

The amount of editing done to the bible is apparent in the versions of the bible today. In The English language there are over a hundred versions of the bible, showing that the bible itself has been heavily edited through the ages.



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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 12:48 PM by Bigwhammy




However the Council of Trent did.



The Council of Trent was finished in 1563! It was a Roman Catholic convention against protestantism more than anything else. So it is rather inconsequential in that the New Testament as we have it today had already been decided upon some 1300 -1400 years earlier by the early church fathers. All Trent did was adopt what was already the standard cannon plus the Catholics added some questionable Apocryphal texts. All the books by a predate Trent by over 1000 years and are available in their original Greek untranslated manuscripts. Hardly matches the contrivances and edits alleged by the pseudo scholars of anti theism. The skeptics are profoundly debunked.

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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 01:01 PM by eye open doors


The video is entertaining, however unconvincing. Just because there is a you tube video, it does not mean it's been totally debunked. Besides, Constantine called the council to gain power, and for me that is what is relevant.

The bible holds water like a fisherman's net, so the canon means little anyways. Nice try!

You get an E for effort



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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 01:27 PM by Bigwhammy




The amount of editing done to the bible is apparent in the versions of the bible today. In The English language there are over a hundred versions of the bible, showing that the bible itself has been heavily edited through the ages.




Pure sophistry or somebody is lacking understanding between the concepts of translation and editing. We have manuscripts from the first century in the original language to verify there is no "editing" - the only editing that has ever occurred goes in the exact opposite direction of the allegations. For instance the removal of controversial 1 John 5:7 which explicitly states the trinity. So you fail to have a point. Hey if it makes you feel better about your lifestyle then run play - life is short and eternity is... well eternal -- so live it up. Just don't expect anyone else to fall for it.

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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 01:40 PM by AshleyD


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Cool stuff. Thanks for sharing. I was watching the video, listening to the narrator, then realized the voice sounded really familiar. He's actually someone I know off of ATS although he is a member here, too. Small world. lol Very nice guy and always researches his material thoroughly. Thanks again for posting this.

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reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 03:26 PM by AshleyD


Confirmation is always cool.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



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