reply to post by Fromabove

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I know many atheists that are socially active and very good people.
Everybody with a gram of whit in his head knows whats right or wrong, no need for an illusory god figure.

Just want to be clear here about what your saying..?

Atheists are cannibalistic pediphiles who torture and rape animals?

When you try to lump all people who have a certain belief together and then apply these labels, your point becomes muddled and soiled.

Be just as prepared to demand answers from Obama then as well. Play it fair if you are going to ask tough religious based questions, ask them of both sides.

I respectfully disagree. There are many "modern" denominations of the Christian Church that frown upon this practice and a few that see it as heretical. Again, its usually those denominations that follow Reformed Theology that have this view, not just Catholicism. And, some modern Christians even view Catholicism as a cult or heresy.

I do agree with you that theology can be debated forever and I know this isn't the thread to do that in so I will end with this:

Depending on who you are and what you believe, anyone else's beliefs can seem crazy or whacko, too. Just like in the scientific realm, there has to be some standard by which everything is defined and measured. The problem with this is that once a standard is set in place, the issue of things being right and wrong is presented. No one wants to deal with this and would rather choose to believe that everything is "relative."

The problem with relativism is that anyone can be right and no one can be wrong. I am truly afraid of a society that believes this way.

TheAgentNineteen, thank you for your conversation. =)

reply to post by holyTerror

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The internet has allowed all, including the "critical thinking mind" to investigate any subject deemed important to them...those who have been "indoctrinated" by religion are going to have a more difficult time dealing with the flood of info (whether it be accurate or not),....and,... as such,... are more inclined to revert back to their "programmed" way of thinking...

Independent thought is a valuable commodity, and is vehemently discouraged by many religious groups...

Do not be dissuaded by those that promote obedience...

I am voting for Palin. She was a member of the Assembly of God. Yes, they believe in speaking in tongues. If you are interested in a different view of what language tongues is, or where it comes from, you might want to read Whitley Strieber's "Communion." It may just blow your mind. Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air. Finally a political figure that can be my daughter's hero. She is beautiful, smart and kind - and a Christian too. Our country faces perilous and dangerous times. Perhaps even a depression. We will need leaders who understand where we are and why we are cutting coupons, having to choose between buying gas or buying food. Harvard educated men have ticketed us for the Titanic. Enron was the tip of the iceberg -- and look at all the ivy-league CEOs that robbed the working class blind. Paelin is the beginning of a movement that says -- we are sick of typical lying politicians - we are sick of being *. I fear however that she comes to late -like a well manicured feminine finger trying to hold back a locomotive of filth dumped on the American taxpayer by those oh-so-smart Harvard men.

there was a time in this country when a catholic was looked at suspiciously if he was running for president. Kennedy had a difficult time convincing the american people that he wouldn't let the orders from the vatican dictate he actions in the white house. and well, he did this and was elected.

now, after all this time, we have a bunch of people WANTING our elected officials to take their religion into the white house and have every agenda set by it. and we're picking their beliefs apart on national tv. being a mormon or being a pentecoast disqualifies you from the white house?? what about the baptists, or methodists? do they qualify?? just what denominaton is it that finds favor in the voter's eyes?

ya know wars have been started over such things, right??

I wish I could give this more than one star.
"I would rather follow someone critical of the country, than someone that thinks war is a gift from god."

It doesn't get any truer than that.

Pentecostal or holyrollers

talk in tongue's roll on the floor all kinds of weird stuff.

but they are not saying god dam america.
nor are they saying we got what we deserve...coming home to roost bs

Nor are they saying anything about any other race..like hillary has no idea what its like to be a nigga ..


so what's wrong with crackpots rolling on a floor and talking funny?

youz no whatz i be sayinz fo shizzle my nizzle ...lol the spirit had me for a moment!!!
hammer time!

It's no surprise the video was removed. All these sites are monitored by the same group of ignorant drones.

Old post.....





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reply to post by loam

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I love the ending to that video.
If you can't laugh at all of this...

it is your opinion that her church is crazy NOT A FACT
the title of this thread should be changed to "Controversial Church"
in accordance with the "new political policy" instituted by SO

sheesh, applying the new "order" retroactively would be a nightmare. mods, be my guest. I actually kind of agree that "Crazy" should be taken out of the title.

I will also be compiling a list of all threads I deem to contain speculation or opinion for your moderation as well.

If you read the content of any of my posts, you would have seen this was not character assassination - but rather a criticism of hypocrisy. Anyways, thanks for playing.

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ANYONE who expresses joy when talking about how "God is going to destroy the world" at the "end times" is CRAZY! The video is all over the place. There's no hiding it. Palin happily STATED that people would be flocking to Alaska because these are the "last days"...crazy.

apparently, YouTube has censored the video across their entire site, that's why I was having such a hard time finding it to repost.

Luckily, the creator of the documentary has now put a new version up, along with a copy of it on vimeo.com in case youtube takes it down again.

Here is an article discussing the censorship of the video, with links to the new copies:

www.talk2action.org...



and here's the new vid!

YouTube Link

here's the copy of it on vimeo:
vimeo.com...

and here is another article regarding the censorship of the video:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

It was "having an effect" because most Americans wouldn't want someone who believes that God is going to end the world, next to the shiny red button that could actually do it.

More details on this church!

YouTube Link

Apparently the preacher she was referring to that gave her a blessing has been involved in active witch hunts. Yes, actual witch hunts - as in, going after fortune tellers and etc. for bringing curses on communities.

Edit: He held many sermons (see below) at the Wasilla Church where Palin attends, while she was getting ready to become governor. The fact that she has mentioned this person after the fact - and commended him, speaks volumes about what she believes to be acceptable in terms of religious faith vs personal freedoms.

some elaboration on the above:
www.alternet.org...



and here is a site that lists all of the sermons the preacher held at the church, that were removed from the Church's website as soon as Palin was announced as a running mate. Obviously, someone thought it would be a PR nightmare. So much for separation of church and state, and so much for transparency and honesty.

irregulartimes.com...



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