When we die do we go straight to heaven or do we wait?

Their is no death in Nature. Death is only a transition point for the soul to move from a corporal form to the spiritual one. Your spirit existed before you were born on this beautiful planet and your spirit will exist after you have departed this world.

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So your answer then is neither?

For all the near deathers, I have a hard time believing that even though I personally know people who have been through it. If it is your time it is your time and if God is going to take you he will. I don’t think he would give us a sneak peek and just send us back.

As for the reincarnationists, if we are continuously being recycled, what happens to us in the unlikely event that the world should be destroyed?

Firstly, part of my work is in taking what I call the 'deadies' over into the light, so I can see a small flaw in the reasoning above. From my current understanding of things after over 30 years of spiritual journeying in the realms, is that there is no time set aside for your death.

Prior to taking on the flesh, we have made contracts with other souls to co-create experiences here. We also selected a vast array of choices we wanted to have while incarnate, but left a lot of room open for creating on the fly, so to speak.

Each choice you make, whether small or large, is a 'crossover point' that leads you along a different path to the one you would have had taken with a different choice. Each path ends in the death of the body but at a different time. So there cannot be a fated time for death.

Secondly, this thing we call god, does not have the desire for such control as the Judeo/Christian belief-system would have us think. It's only concern is to experience through us what it is and what it is capable of, since we are only a portion of its disseminated energy/awareness. So it is not up to God to give us a glimpse nor to send us back (our higher-self/primary guide does that), it was us who actually chose to have such an experience.

What happens if the world is destroyed? No biggie there my friend, we will do what we did before volunteering to have experiences here. Opportunities for experience in a vast range of life-forms is available throughout this universe, so we would simply volunteer for somewhere else, just as we did before coming here the first time.

Another part of my work is taking people back to re-experience their own incarnations from other times. This is done for two main reasons: 1. To have the client experience for themselves that fact of their own immortality, and 2. to find and understand what issues/agreements we have brought forward with us into our current life. I do not use Hypnotism because it is a poor substitute with too much leeway for suggestion.

I've been using a method called "The Christos" for more than 10 years now and have had great success with the majority of people who were able to have their own re-experience. What is interesting with this is; the soul you are already knows what you need, so when doing this process you automatically go to the lives you need to remember. Each person 'returns' with information and understanding that they would not and could not have gotten from historical books. because it is always of a personal and extremely precise nature that at times opposes what is written in the history books of the 'victors'.

I hope that in some small way I have been able to answer your questions Viking.

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Great post and points Tayesin

Could you please explain The Christos method you mentioned?

Thanks.

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Yes. Thank you. and in another way created even more questions....
Like Paul richard I would like to hear more about the Christos method.

Also, you say we CHOSE to be here and have these experiences. Do we really CHOOSE to live in such a troubled world. Does somebody choose the life of a starving third world child etc?

The age old quetion then comes up again for me in relation to this as well. Where did we come from and where are we going in this context.

No provision was made, at creation, to deal with death, as far as what happens to your soul.
Man was made to be a living being that was meant to live forever.
It was not God's plan for man to die, even though He knew it was a possibility.
Adam was given a choice, meaning really that God warned him that there was something that could kill him.
Death is just exactly what the word implies.
You have to remove the meaning of the word, altogether, to come up with a theory about what happens later.
So, to get around that problem, you can deny that death exists.
Just close your mind off completely to the world around you and live in a pretend world.
I mentioned at least once on this forum that I was taken by five demons to hell.
Obviously I did not die, so my point is you can be shown a version of what you may be facing after you die.
I could sit here and describe the experience in detail (I have, if you want to look for it) but right at this moment, I have to imagine it was a deception, perpetrated by these demons.
They could figure out your personality and come up with an afterlife version that will work to de-rail you from your proper path.

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Why then does Jesus and many other places in the bible discuss heaven and the 'paradise' that is promised to us? We have to go somewhere.

Also, I would be intersted in your mentioned experiences. could you post a link for me or U2U

Ta
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I would have to disagree, man was not created in a state that would live forever, or man would never have been kicked out the garden in the first place. People wrongly think the only reason Adam and Eve were kicked out the garden of eden was an act of punishment for eating of the tree of knowledge. While this was part of the reason, the main reason is stated in the book of Genesis.....

GENESIS 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

After eating of the tree of knowledge, Adam and Eve were kicked out to prevent them from eating of the tree of life also, and living forever, therefore they must have not already been in a state that could live forever if they needed to eat of this fruit to do so. When God said if you eat of the tree of knowledge you shall surely die, he didn't mean that it would be this fruit that would kill him, but the results of his actions would prevent him from eating of the tree of life that would allow him to escape death.

Thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and his atonement for all or sins, eternal life is once again on offer.

1CORINTHIANS 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.