The true origin of Santa Claus Hallucinogenic fungus& Pagan tradition.

Having seen several threads recently about the origins of Santa, i thought i would share with you one of the oldest traditions, twisted for modern Myth, but was Santa Claus the result of Hallucinogenic vision quests, then plagurised and reinvented for modern myth?

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The first Information i could find on the origins of Santa come from traditional Siberian Tribal worship going back as far as maybe 10,000 years,

Initially a celebration of the invisible sun at the Winter Solstice celebrating the shortest and longest days of the year with the recovery of the Sun God at the Summer Solstice, Later the Winter Solstice for the Northern hemisphere became known as Christmas.

Santa Claus an abbreviated name of St Nicholas the patron Saint of Children has long been associated with Christmas Particularly in Holland, Dutch settlers took the tradition with them to America in the 17th Century, he was not however associated with flying or going down chimneys until a poem by Clement Moore described the tradition of delivering gifts to children in this way, His poem a visit from St Nicholas, Link
Also known as Twas the night before Christmas,

Where did the idea come from for his poem? Reindeer are a good clue,



Clement Moore was a Professor of Oriental Languages , and the Rituals and culture of the Siberian people had been know to scholars in the west for at the very least a Century,Before Moore wrote his poem it is thought he collected that knowledge and used it to create what we see today and the poem which became so well known.

You will find many different accounts as to the origins of Santa Claus, you will find it mostly depends on the religious orientation of the person offering the information, However i wrote this thread using the Clement Moore poem because it is accepted as the source for modern day Santa.

I would be interested to hear of other traditions surrounding not just Santa but other religious holidays, most commonly accepted as coming from Ancient Pagan Ritual and ceremony.


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Yes as i said in my post there will be many different interpretations of the origins of Santa Claus, However the article you posted is based on St Nicholas himself, My theory was to point out the idea behind a man who comes in winter bearing gifts and how because of a poem a modern interpretation came about which is still accepted on the whole today.

I'm sure a lot of these interpretations are based like many other myths on a little truth, I took the myth back almost 10,000 years to a time before organized religion, and mostly based on how traditions and practices of ancient people have been taken and combined with ideals, im sure St Nicholas was a very nice person, and loved by many, it does not alter the fact that the modern day Santa Claus came about by the Clement Moore poem, and where he got the idea for that poem, the only myth involved in my post is the myth of the fat man in a red suit flying through the sky with reindeer.

I based my post on mostly facts IE the Shamanistic practices which are still carried out to this day, when mind altering fungi are used to travel (allegedly) to the Spirit world to visit the Great Spirit, it is still a fact that the Shaman went into a trance like state (got high) and when they came out of the trance like state they had new songs, dances, and new stories, which where gifts to their people not just children,just like modern traditional Christmas and the giving of gifts, Santa Claus ( St Nicholas)did not fly until after Clement Moore Published his poem, Hence the thread title, the idea came from somewhere and it ties into his life as a scholar, and his imagination as a poet.

It is the same with almost all religious festivals they came from ancient Pagan ritual and traditions.

It would be great if others would share their understandings of traditions and their origins, how you interpret them and what they mean to you in any form? it really would.

Interesting.
I was watching a psychadelic video about it last year.

Why do so many religious celebrations have similarities?

So many rabbit holes!
I like to get an overview of things and focus on the most important.
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I hope you all find this interesting.

For starters, I heard that both Nimrod and Tammuz, had birthdays on Dec 25th. I think hislop verifies one of them.

Next find your concordance and in the back there should be a list of hebrew letters and the numbers that have always corresponded to them and, find the number for satan. Only the consonants count! The vowels were added for pronunciation. Just jot down that number.

Now get your concordance and look up the chapter where satan is first mentioned, now count the chapters in the Bible from the front and jot down the number of that chapter.

And then finally, get a calender and see where exactly those number[s] lines up on.

Happy ciphering!

I will follow up on what you have posted when i have time, i find all this kind of thing fascinating how ancient ritual has changed and molded into the modern world, the same rituals are now used to distance themselves from old ritual practices IE paganism being associated with Satan which is not the case, Baphomet considered by many Christians for instance to be Satan was used by the Vatican as an excuse to wipe out the Knights Templars allegedly even though the image of Baphomet being a mans body with the breast of a woman, goats head with horns, cloven feet, depicted with wings of an angel has never been proven to have been of deitic use to the Knights Templars as far as i know.

It comes down to the use of rituals, and deitic figures being used by modern organized religions as a proper gander tool against Paganistic faiths, allowing people to believe they are of evil use.

Please feel free to correct me.