Non Christians What If The Bible Is True?

This is Brilliant and all that, but, Just doing for the possibility of NOT GOING TO HELL is shear stupidity... OOO, Im going to hell. I believe in nothing but what I can see and hear... with the exception of Air, oh and atoms, molecules... etc. Also touch, that is another thing I believe in....

reply to post by sharati

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I was thinking more along the lines of Christianity being wrong, but something similar being right. Like if David Koresh was acutally the messiah, and all these people are going to hell for believing in Jesus instead of him.

Total baloney, of course, but it's the exact same thing as Christianity.

For that matter, what's stopping me from saying that I'm the messiah, and that if you don't believe in me, you'll burn in hell. And, after all, you might as well, just to be on the safe side.

reply to post by sharati

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Didn't you just post this?



I'm afraid it would take about a year to go through EVERY known theory, maybe longer.



The archaeological data confirms the Biblical account. The chariot wheels found under the Red Sea were only used during a particular time period which is the exact dynasty corresponding with the Exodus account. The place of the crossing was marked by pillars that were likely erected by King Solomon.

You're always going to have Phd critics trying to discredit the Bible. It has been going on for thousands of years, so far none have succeeded. There are 2 Billion Christians. Atheists are a minority. Common equals the majority. So they do not in fact even have common sense. I believe most people don't like the idea of being accountable to God. That's the real issue behind all the fuss. Very simply they can do away with the rules by not believing in God. See the OP is a parenthetical "What If". If the Bible is true it might affect your sex life hmmmmm?

Well, I can't believe you are the Messiah, because then I would have to renounce my title as such. Sorry, I had first dibs...

Oh man, the logic is blinding!!! I'm just glad that we all have accepted that what the majority believes is true, must be true. That worked so well for Galileo didn't it?

Debunked.

Zahi Hawass Says "No Evidence" of Red Sea Parting



Not if you really believe your earlier comments about salvation being free for the asking. I could be the most disgusting, perverted heathen imaginable, enough to put Caligula to shame, and near the end just ask Big J for forgiveness and I'll be saved. That's the deal, right? You said it was, at least before. Or was that AshleyD? Does it really matter?

reply to post by The Nighthawk

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I don't know what you are talking about. Do you? That article doesn't' even mention Ron Wyatt's find. Sorry he didn't debunk the evidence I presented. He didn't even address it.


One of Many Egyptian Chariot Wheels found under Red Sea Crossing point



That's a pretty lame argument. Salvation is free... but you have to be genuine in the asking. If you're using it as a get out of jail free card to continue sinning it isn't really genuine now is it.


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Ron Wyatt is also thoroughly debunked as a hoaxer and scam artist.

Ron Wyatt Exposed



Ah, so there ARE conditions besides just asking. Glad you could do me the favor of contradicting yourself. It has to be genuine. This is in direct contradiction to earlier statements that salvation is totally free for the asking, a gift to be given freely. As I stated before, a "gift" that has to be in any way "earned" is no gift at all.

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I agree he was wrong with his Ark claim was an error and maybe even a scam, but that doesn't address the Red Sea chariot wheels which is what we were discussing. That picture above is one of the wheels. Others have been found, there's a thread hear where JD posted them.

red sea evidence

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Actually the source I linked DOES state his "red sea chariot wheels" are also a fraud. Look fuirther than the Ark stuff. Wyatt is a huckster, pure and simple.

(edit) I'm sorry, a DEAD huckster. And your other "sources" all directly point back to Wyatt. Aaron Sen is mentioned in one; he is known to be one of Wyatt's sidekicks. ALL of your "evidence" for the "Red Sea Massacre" is based on a couple of wheels and bones supposedly found by a known charlatan and his cohorts. Tell you what, you get in touch with WAR and see if they'll release said "evidence" to the Field Museum in Chicago for analysis.

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Well if you are right, then all you've done is disprove Ron Wyatt. I did read your link and I know he made a bad claim about the Ark, there are several Ark finds in contention by the way... It still did nothing to disprove the chariot wheels. Maybe I was misled. I admit I am not sure about Ron Wyatt now.

It's right there, in the same article I linked to:




I think that pretty much seals it. Wyatt, and all his associates=Liars.

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You know I believe I was misled by those articles and videos on Ron Wyatt. It does look like he is a hoax now. I trust the Answers In Genesis site and they do not believe him.


source

Answers in Genesis isn't exactly above-board either.

Answers in Genesis Site Busted

And frankly, if the Red Sea narrative were true, shouldn't there be thousands of chariots and bodies in there? Shouldn't there be a whole mess of stuff practically littering the Red Sea? Shouldn't Noah's Ark, if it was ever real, have been found by now with all the people supposedly looking for it? Why is it that claims of extraordinary evidence of Biblical events is so rarely offered to the public museums and universities of the world for analysis?

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Well the OP is such evidence. The Elba tablets.
www.belowtopsecret.com...

It quited the critics who claimed for years that Sodom and Gremoorah never existed.

They also used to say that in Moses time there was no writing, and theses tablets verified there was...

Actually, Paolo Matthiae, discoverer of the Ebla site and director of the expedition since 1963, holds a different view.



Being the director of the expedition I'd say it's a pretty safe bet he's something of an expert.



This is simply preposterous. What scholars ever said that? Obviously there was writing; this was 1400-1200BC and the Egyptians obviously were writing during this period. The Sumerians as well have writings pre-dating this period.

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They did prove the existence of the cities I listed. The fact they are extra Biblical in nature only further verifies that they were real places. That was one of the old criticisms of the Bible that is no longer used because the Elba tablets mentioned them. One of the old criticisms people used to say was that people didn't have writing back then. I know it's ridiculous that's the point.Nothing other than the return of Christ is going to prove the bible absolutely. You might get to witness it soon too.


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2 billion Christians, eh? And how many people are in this world? Over 6 BILLION? So Christians are a minority too, and by your logic do not have common sense. I understand that your reply was to somebody coming from my side of the argument who has been somewhat hostile, but he's been no more hostile than your above comment. I've tried very hard to remain un-hostile in this conversation, despite my very firm beliefs that Christianity is the most flawed major dogma to ever grace the human race, and I would hope you would do the same. Perhaps you didn't mean it, but you just said we atheists have no common sense. And, as I pointed out, you based it on a logic that says that you, also, have no common sense. Atheists are a minority and thus have no common sense? I'll bite my tongue on this one to avoid getting permanently banned from ATS.



I think you've got this backwards. I believe that Christians LOVE the idea of being accountable to God, because if they weren't they would have to actually think for themselves...God forbid! I mentioned in an earlier reply that becoming atheist was probably the hardest thing Ive ever done in my life, because suddenly I had to decide for myself what was right and what was wrong, (among other reasons). Having a structured belief system is a convenient way to ignore the real issues and not figure them out for yourselves. It lends a little bit of credence to the old adage, "Ignorance is bliss."

(Edit for grammar. My fingers fly when I'm fuming...)

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I think the common sense thing applies to belief in God. Most people do believe in some sort of God. So it is common sense to believe in God.

I'm sorry you feel that way but there really isn't going to be justice in this world. I believe you will answer to God one day.