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reply posted on 4-4-2007 @ 07:43 AM by Belinquest

Originally posted by bodrul

faithfreedom?
how about you post a credible link to slander the prophet?
i dont see why this is relivent as its just BS and i doubt the idiots who run the site will give me $50,000 dollors or aknoledge anything

ps anyone can make sites making a mokery of diffrent faiths
which i wont go into since i have better things to do then that

if you want to learn about us muslims then read my posts insted of trying to make a mokery of everything,
after you have read my posts and visted the links and still havent found the answer then feel free to ask

I am not making a mockery I am saying that you have skilfully avoided a lot of things that should have been pointed out to give a balanced picture.

Your posts do a magnificent job of concealing the Quran's unbeautiful meanings.

When a Muslim has problems understanding the true meaning of the Koran, he/she will resort to books written by men learned in Islamic sciences or ask the learned in the local society. In the West we are allowed to use reason.

The result of this state of affairs is that lay Muslims remain ignorant, despite memorizing the entire Koran, and Islamic clerics hold an incredible amount of power over the lives of lay people.

For example In Saudi Arabia you cannot wear a cross or carry a Bible because Shari'ah defines Islam's rules for all aspects of life, clerics have powers that far exceed spiritual matters and extend into law, politics, and war.

If you can make them believe absurdities, you can make them commit atrocities. (Voltaire)

Explain these verses :

Bukhari:V4B52N220 :"Allah's Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.'"
Qur'an:8:12 : "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Qur'an:8:57: "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."
Ishaq:326 : "If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah's enemies."
Qur'an:8:67: "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land."
Ishaq:588: "When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves."

It is true that not all Muslims are terrorists but certainly all terrorists are Muslims.

I have never heard of a Christian or Jew or Buddhist strapping bombs to himself and kill innocent people.

This is happening now, nothing to do with crusades.

Are you saying that I lie when I say that Mohammed at 53 married a 6 years old girl?
Here is what a woman doctor says about Islam:
www.homa.org...

You make no mention of how many abrogations in the Quran, no mention of Satanic verses, you present a pretty idyllic religion, no honour killing, no hypocrisy.
Also google Moon God and you may get a different picture of Allah.

Here is another website you will disapprove of:
www.thereligionofpeace.com...

reply posted on 4-4-2007 @ 08:20 AM by bodrul

Originally posted by Belinquest
I am not making a mockery I am saying that you have skilfully avoided a lot of things that should have been pointed out to give a balanced picture.

and most of those are in the links i provided
i give you an opertunity to read them
they have both good and bad things in them

also i do feel that you are making a mokery with the sites you present as your eviddence

Originally posted by Belinquest
Your posts do a magnificent job of concealing the Quran's unbeautiful meanings.

that is not my intention
if i wanted that i would have filterd every single site that i posted

Originally posted by Belinquest
When a Muslim has problems understanding the true meaning of the Koran, he/she will resort to books written by men learned in Islamic sciences or ask the learned in the local society. In the West we are allowed to use reason.

and?

Originally posted by Belinquest
The result of this state of affairs is that lay Muslims remain ignorant, despite memorizing the entire Koran, and Islamic clerics hold an incredible amount of power over the lives of lay people.

one thing no one holds power over me or muslims that i know
which is alot
ignorant? how is memorising the quran ignorant?
please explain

Originally posted by Belinquest
For example In Saudi Arabia you cannot wear a cross or carry a Bible because Shari'ah defines Islam's rules for all aspects of life, clerics have powers that far exceed spiritual matters and extend into law, politics, and war.

so how many muslims are there in the vatican city?
saudi and other islamic countries are run by shairia law
even so they have no power over war (the clerics)

shairia law defines how a person lives their lives
but this is only in islamic countries. so i dont see any reason to have to deffend or explain how a countries way of life to you.

Originally posted by Belinquest
If you can make them believe absurdities, you can make them commit atrocities. (Voltaire)

anyone can brainwash someone into acts of vilance in any faith

Originally posted by Belinquest
Explain these verses :

Bukhari:V4B52N220 :"Allah's Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.'"
Qur'an:8:12 : "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Qur'an:8:57: "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."
Ishaq:326 : "If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah's enemies."
Qur'an:8:67: "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land."
Ishaq:588: "When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves."

source
SPOILS OF WAR

routed and several of their most prominent chieftains - Abu Jahl among them - were killed.

It was the first open battle between the pagan Quraysh and the young Muslim community of Medina; and its outcome made the Quraysh realize that the movement inaugurated by Muhammad was not an ephemeral dream but the beginning of a new political power and a new era different from anything that the Arabian past had known. The Meccans' apprehensions, which had already been aroused by the exodus of the Prophet and his Companions to Medina, found a shattering confirmation on the day of Badr. Although the power of Arabian paganism was not finally broken until some years later, its decay became apparent from that historic moment. For the Muslims, too, Badr proved to be a turning-point. It may safely be assumed that until then only a very few of the Prophet's Companions had fully understood the political implications of the new order of Islam. To most of them, their exodus to Medina had meant, in those early days, no more than a refuge from the persecutions which they had had to endure in Mecca: after the battle of Badr, however, even the most simple-minded among them became aware that they were on their way towards.a new social order. The spirit of passive sacrifice, so characteristic of their earlier days, received its complement in the idea of sacrifice through action. The doctrine of action as the most fundamental, creative element of life was, perhaps for the first time in the history of man, consciously realized not only by a few select individuals but by a whole community; and the intense activism which was to distinguish Muslim history in the coming decades and centuries was a direct, immediate consequence of the battle of Badr.

also for surah 5
www.geocities.com...

It is true that not all Muslims are terrorists but certainly all terrorists are Muslims.

oh not this BS again which has been thrown around ats so many times

so IRA were muslim
so Jewish Defense League: are muslim?
so Khalistan Commando Force are muslim?
list goes on

there are terroits in all faiths so all terroists are muslim is just BS

Originally posted by Belinquest
I have never heard of a Christian or Jew or Buddhist strapping bombs to himself and kill innocent people.

maybe they dont strap bombs to their chests and so forth but
there are hundreds of non muslim terrorists out there that have killed thousends of innacent people

Originally posted by Belinquest
This is happening now, nothing to do with crusades.

i just told you some things that are mentioned were made in times of war
not that its responsible for actions these days

these days people take some words and use it to their advantage

Originally posted by Belinquest
Are you saying that I lie when I say that Mohammed at 53 married a 6 years old girl?
Here is what a woman doctor says about Islam:
www.homa.org...

yes i say you lie
since all sources you provide have an agenda against muslims in general

Originally posted by Belinquest
You make no mention of how many abrogations in the Quran, no mention of Satanic verses, you present a pretty idyllic religion, no honour killing, no hypocrisy.
Also google Moon God and you may get a different picture of Allah.

and i say again read the links i provided and they all have the bad and good things of islam, problem with you is that you dont bother to open your mind and read anything i provided

if you know anything about islam you will know idol worshiping is forwned apon and restricted by the quran so dont bother bring in the BS about moon god
shows your lack of understanding of islam

Originally posted by Belinquest
Here is another website you will disapprove of:
www.thereligionofpeace.com...

seeing as the site was made after 9/11 by someone that doesnt like muslims
what do you expect me to think of the site?

again i say read all my posts and search things up on ats
to do with non muslim terroists

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reply posted on 4-4-2007 @ 05:02 PM by bodrul

some intresting islamic videos