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reply posted on 19-9-2003 @ 04:14 PM by Satyr
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Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
"Well, strength finally did come, but not in the form of belief. I realized I was going to have to be strong, and lean on no one but myself."
What you say above is the key. You looked inside yourSELF and found strength. That IS the strength of God since you, I, and everyone else are Godly
people.
That little voice that said to quit looking outside for help and to get your s..t together was the voice of God. It was your soul or Holy Spirit.
You were looking for a sign. The sign is within you and everywhere. Look in the mirror. YOU are an extension of God. 
No! That's not the strength of "god" at all! That's my own strength, and I'm taking credit for it. I denounced god, openly. I am not an extension
of something I don't believe in. I just finally accepted that my strength will only come from me, and me only. I've cursed god with the worst
insults I could possibly dream up, and challenged him to take me on. I've stood in the middle of a lightning storm with a 20ft metal pole cursing
"god" and asking him to strike me down! Yet, nothing. It's BS....sorry. That little voice, is my own. If it sounds like anyone other than your own
voice, seek psychiatric care immediately.
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reply posted on 19-9-2003 @ 04:27 PM by Satyr
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Originally posted by Stranger
> Find from somewhere and want to share
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair and his beard cut as always.
He started to have a good conversation with the barber who attended him.
They talked about so many things and various subjects.
Suddenly, they touched the subject of GOD.......... 
That's about the dumbest story I've ever heard. Sorry, but it doesn't seem to dawn on you xians that either:
1) The guy likes his hair long
or
2) He's a bum and/or doesn't have money for a haircut
Only see what you want. It's easier that way, right?
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reply posted on 19-9-2003 @ 04:45 PM by mynameissmith
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The only truth is that no one will agree on this subject. But, I am thankful, thus far, that we are able to believe in whatever or whomever we wish
in this country. As far as personal spirituality, I am a devout believer, at least, in karma: you get what you give and that's a fact!
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reply posted on 19-9-2003 @ 04:52 PM by paperclip
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Satyr, a slight correction in your summary of answers.
I did say that I am born and raised Muslim, but i also said that I have seen proof of God's existence and so have a few members of my family too,
that actually made me believe again after a few years of questioning faith.
So, the reason why I am Muslim is because thats the faith I was taught so I figured why not stick with it, is a good religion, but the reason why I
BELIEVE is proof.
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reply posted on 19-9-2003 @ 05:07 PM by mikromarius
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Originally posted by Satyr
I've stood in the middle of a lightning storm with a 20ft metal pole cursing "god" and asking him to strike me down! Yet, nothing. 
Hehehe. You're really something. Good one
I'd say that standing with a 20 ft metal pole in a lightening storm  without being hit is quite a miracle. I'd say it rather speeks for
the idea of God, not against it. Man! 20ft metal pole....  You're insane, man hehe. Have you done other experiments like this one too? Like
swimming among great white sharks with a bloody carcas tied to your body? If you have any future plans to test for God's existence, can you please
get someone to film it and post it here on ATS. Definately a winner in the d/l section.   
Blessings,
Mikromarius
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reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 03:58 AM by Satyr
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Why would that be anymore proof of his existence than disproof? It was pure sacrilege, so he should've cast me into hell, especially since I
denounced his ass. No proof = no proof. Believing that, since nothing happened, there must be a god, is an example of the most backward and illogical
thinking I've ever seen. That reminds me of Archie Bunker, when Gloria tells him how many people are killed by guns per year, and Archie says,
"Would it make you feel any better if they were pushed out of windows?"  This seems to be the common denominator amongst xians, though.
[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Satyr]
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reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 06:02 AM by mikromarius
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Originally posted by Satyr
Why would that be anymore proof of his existence than disproof? It was pure sacrilege, so he should've cast me into hell, especially since I
denounced his ass. No proof = no proof. Believing that, since nothing happened, there must be a god, is an example of the most backward and illogical
thinking I've ever seen. That reminds me of Archie Bunker, when Gloria tells him how many people are killed by guns per year, and Archie says,
"Would it make you feel any better if they were pushed out of windows?"  This seems to be the common denominator amongst xians, though.
[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Satyr] 
Well the big book says that we may speek against the Father and the Son and get forgiveness, but to speek agsinst the Holy Spirit is a sin which will
not be pardoned. But you cannot speek against the Holy Spirit for you don't know it. For if you did, you would never have done what you have done.
Blessings,
Mikromarius
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reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 06:14 AM by MrEisenhower
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My point was and a personal point I tried to make was that, I believe that the Bible and tried to explain the phenomena around them. Obviously you
missed my point entirely, and was never supposed to string out any argument. The Bible shows very basic thoughts
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I didn't miss it. I see you're a believer and hold the bible close to your heart. But it is not enough to say that the people back then were fools.
They were certainly not less intelligent than we are today. That was my point. 
Sorry, I made a mistake in my last post. I am an Athiest, I was a Christian but I gave my belief up when I was 12.
Perhaps I was a bit harsh in the start of my Statement. But as you can believe, being called a Thirteen year old isn't the nicest of things. I don't
want to go through Puberty again  Your forgiven. There was a point that I thought you weren't going to answer my post, so thanks.
I don't think I've got anything more to add to this debate so I'll take my leave.
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reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 06:28 AM by mikromarius
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Originally posted by MrEisenhower
Perhaps I was a bit harsh in the start of my Statement. But as you can believe, being called a Thirteen year old isn't the nicest of things. I don't
want to go through Puberty again  Your forgiven. There was a point that I thought you weren't going to answer my post, so thanks. 
Well thanks alot for the forgiveness. God bless you.
See you around somewhere else then....
Blessings,
Mikromarius
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reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 10:23 AM by TheBandit795
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Originally posted by Satyr
 Oh! Make no mistake! I searched for "god" plenty. I also did many, many years of those silent prayers mentioned above....just asking for a
sign, or just a little strength or help in a time of extreme hardship. Well, no sign ever came. No help ever came. As a matter of fact, life only got
worse and worse. So, I prayed some more....."Oh why hath thou forsaken me, my lord?"
Nothing!!!

That's because we have been taught wrong about praying. You prayed because of lack and you constantly had your attention on the hardships and the bad
things going on. And your prayer sounds like a form of begging. Prayers should be in a form of gratitude.
True prayer is when you already "know" that your prayer has been granted now and you are grateful for that. Those are the prayers that are answered.
We have been put on a distant trail what this concerns. I think most probably during the middle ages, is when this was changed.
Do a google on these:
"Law of Attraction"
"scientific prayer"
John Wheeler
"Abraham Hicks"
gratitude and prayer
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reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 08:05 PM by Satyr
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
That's because we have been taught wrong about praying. You prayed because of lack and you constantly had your attention on the hardships and the bad
things going on. And your prayer sounds like a form of begging. Prayers should be in a form of gratitude.
True prayer is when you already "know" that your prayer has been granted now and you are grateful for that. Those are the prayers that are answered.
We have been put on a distant trail what this concerns. I think most probably during the middle ages, is when this was changed. 
Man, that's about the most worthless thing I've ever heard of! Never pray for anything, but thank "god" in prayer when something good happens? No
offense, but that's #ing stupid!  I wasn't asking for selfish, material possessions, or anything of the kind. You believers have an illogical
answer for everything that doesn't pan out in your favor.
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reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 08:54 PM by TheBandit795
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That's too bad... Because it has worked for me...
And you have completely misunderstood me.
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reply posted on 20-9-2003 @ 09:04 PM by Salem
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I'm a humanist, I don't beleive in god.
Don't remember who said this :
 RELIGION EQUALS RACISM, SEXISM, SPECIESISM, SELF-HATRED, EXPLOITATION, SLAVERY, WAR. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH ARE ONE. NO RACES, NO
RELIGIONS, NO DUALITY, NO WAR. 
But it's still resuming what I think about that subject.
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reply posted on 21-9-2003 @ 12:19 AM by Satyr
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
That's too bad... Because it has worked for me... 
Many of my friends have told me that I "# diamonds" at times, so I don't see how prayer has anything to do with shear luck.
 And you have completely misunderstood me. 
How so?
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reply posted on 21-9-2003 @ 01:22 AM by TheBandit795
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Because you said this.
"ever pray for anything, but thank "god" in prayer when something good happens?"
I didn't say "never pray for anything. I meant that the way we've been thought to pray (as in a form of begging) doesn't work.
And as for it working for me. I have used it for example, twice to pass exams I didn't study that much for and wasn't expecting to pass. The last
time was last friday.
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reply posted on 21-9-2003 @ 02:14 AM by Satyr
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Hahaha! I never studied for exams, yet always passed them anyway...without prayer.  Either way, what you're saying is that you're a hypocrite!
You prayed for self advancement, which you didn't even deserve, since you neglected your studies! Don't even try to lecture me on this BS. Not after
what you've just said.  Man, you are very hypocritical, if that's your idea of "proper prayer". There's no similarity between what you just
were on my case about? So, what you're actually saying is, if you're too desperate, god will ignore you?
Ok, give me an example of your "please let me pass my exam" prayer that's not in the form of begging.  That's a good one! I'd love to see
your answer to this. LOL
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reply posted on 21-9-2003 @ 03:20 PM by ZeroDeep
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We'll me personaly I never pray.
I find it selfish to pray to God for selfish reason, maybe it be passing a test, winning a lottery.
I just cant seem to get myself to do it.
Deep
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reply posted on 21-9-2003 @ 05:41 PM by TheBandit795
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Originally posted by Satyr
Hahaha! I never studied for exams, yet always passed them anyway...without prayer.  Either way, what you're saying is that you're a hypocrite!
You prayed for self advancement, which you didn't even deserve, since you neglected your studies! Don't even try to lecture me on this BS. Not after
what you've just said.  Man, you are very hypocritical, if that's your idea of "proper prayer". There's no similarity between what you just
were on my case about? So, what you're actually saying is, if you're too desperate, god will ignore you?
Ok, give me an example of your "please let me pass my exam" prayer that's not in the form of begging.  That's a good one! I'd love to see
your answer to this. LOL
[Edited on 9-21-2003 by Satyr] 
Tssss, too bad you think like that. Thanks for the laugh!!! 
And I didn't neglect my studies. I didn't finish them. Right now you won't understand what I did, because you won't allow yourself to see it
anyway, so why bother?
If you want to know exactly what I did.. Look here.. www.angelfire.com...
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reply posted on 21-9-2003 @ 05:44 PM by TheBandit795
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Originally posted by Satyr
Either way, what you're saying is that you're a hypocrite! You prayed for self advancement, which you didn't even deserve, since you neglected
your studies! Don't even try to lecture me on this BS. Not after what you've just said.  Man, you are very hypocritical, if that's your idea of
"proper prayer". There's no similarity between what you just were on my case about? So, what you're actually saying is, if you're too desperate,
god will ignore you?
Ok, give me an example of your "please let me pass my exam" prayer that's not in the form of begging.  That's a good one! I'd love to see
your answer to this. LOL
[Edited on 9-21-2003 by Satyr] 
How come did you have to wait at least ten hours to come up with this??? The first sentence was there alone for almost the whole day...
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reply posted on 23-9-2003 @ 03:32 AM by Satyr
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
Originally posted by Satyr
Either way, what you're saying is that you're a hypocrite! You prayed for self advancement, which you didn't even deserve, since you neglected
your studies! Don't even try to lecture me on this BS. Not after what you've just said.  Man, you are very hypocritical, if that's your idea of
"proper prayer". There's no similarity between what you just were on my case about? So, what you're actually saying is, if you're too desperate,
god will ignore you?
Ok, give me an example of your "please let me pass my exam" prayer that's not in the form of begging.  That's a good one! I'd love to see
your answer to this. LOL
[Edited on 9-21-2003 by Satyr] 
How come did you have to wait at least ten hours to come up with this??? The first sentence was there alone for almost the whole day... 
1) I have a forum of my own, and this is not the only place I hang out 24/7.
2) My life suddenly got busier. (interviews/new job) I don't have time to check this forum every day anymore.
3) I didn't reply until I saw it. (quite self explanitory, from the first two)
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