Can I just say that David Icke is out of his mind!

I've been to this site off and on for some time now and I'm sick of all this David Icke madness. The guy is obviously either a lunatic or very smart to the point of weaving such incredible bs and making wads of cash off it, making him in some sense a genius.

But give me a break. Shape shifting reptiles and our world basically being a Matrix just like in the movie of the same name. His writing is interesting Science Fiction at best and some of it, unfortunately, plagiarized.

I was disgusted recently when my 22 year old daughter actually brought up his name at the dinner table and said she believed everything he wrote or said. I had to laugh and told her David Icke was insane. She was shocked I even knew who he was. After I spewed some of the stuff he had written about she understood I was familiar with him.

In many ways, the world is heading in a bad place. Mr. Icke is taking advantage of everyone's fears and cashing in on it. He even writes about the year 2012, which the Mayans believed to be the year the world would end....on Dec 12, 2012. But he spins it into the year the Illuminati or NWO will have fully taken over the planet....others think it is going to be the year of global awakening where the planet becomes a wonderful place again. Whatever......

David Icke is worse than any creature he claims exists and worse than any politician he claims to be a "shapeshifter." If anything he is a "shapeshifter." Underneath his facade lies the devil!

[edit on 8-9-2005 by XanaX]

What really surprises me is how many people are buying into that stuff. I don't know if it's from playing fantasy video games,etc that make people more receptive or what? Any theories??

I have also noticed this, more people seem to be buying into these sorts of theories, and not just with Icke's stuff. For example, I've seen people that believe Jedi are actually real and that the Force exists.

My theory, or perhaps I should call it an opinion, is this: I think there are genuine conspiracies out there, and some of them are likely quite large. However, I am quite sure they do not reach to include reptilian royalty, the Matrix, 6000 year old masonic reptoid aliens, 200+ visiting alien species, armageddon in 2012, vatican antipopes, suppressed tesla technology, overnight global weather alterations, or hidden Atlantean civilizations, not to mention some of the convoluted webs I have seen trying to connect several of these theories together. (all of the above are claims I have seen put forth by various people, and probably all have been discussed on ATS, too)

(ugh, sorry for the little rant there) Anyway, I believe that people see that there is something going on, but they (like me) are not exactly sure what it is. They try, with varying degrees of success or failure, to come up with explanations for what they see occurring in politics, world events, business, and the like. The internet has brought about a big boom in these sorts of theories, since they get distributed to a much larger audience much more quickly, and average people tend to believe anything they see on the internet, and then the theories breed and intermingle, until you get stuff like Icke's world-dominating reptilians.

My two cents.

I agree with you here. There's a lot going on we are unaware of and some of it scary stuff I'm sure, but people like Icke and his like take it to the maximum extreme for the sole purpose of selling books and I'm sure they laugh all the way to the bank. In a sense, I consider him a cult leader.....with a bunch of mindless zombies believing his every word.

We need people to give the masses hope, not spread their doom and gloom bs philosophies. The world is a tough enough place to live without Icke and his like trying to scare the masses into following their nonsense.

I totally believe that David Icke is either insane or a master at marketing himself, his theories (sic) and his books. However, I'd like to play Devils' Advocate and raise an issue. If YOU had "discovered" the supposed truth about such a universal conspiracy about a global matrix and shape-shifting reptillians, how would you go about revealing this "reality"?

One of the true strengths about Conspiracy theories is that, often, they are so convoluted and involved that they are difficult to believe and accept.
I just hope that Icke is, indeed, a madman or master marketeer. Otherwise, we are all in deep trouble.

but lies generate more cash!

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also plz buy some crystals from me, you require crystal power to heal your aura, amber is healing!

yeah.....I have a bad backache.....can you sell me some crystals that would help....or at least a mantra. I love the New Age. Why can't everyone just forget what they know and simply accept whatever someone cool like David Icke says. He's written a book you know so he must be correct.


POPPYCOCK (can I say that?)

To me it's a matter of separating wheat from chaff. While I agree with David Icke on a lot of things, I just don't buy into the reptilian stuff.

I just have a question, Xanax...for someone who thinks Icke is insane (as you're saying in this thread - and I absolutely agree!), you're quoting/sourcing him an awful lot elsewhere to prove a certain point you're trying to make...



Sorry, sorry, moving on. Just pointing out an oddity. Because it's Thursday, and that's what Thursdays are for

I do believe there is some Tesla technology that has been suppressed. At one time his lab was blown up and probably on purpose to cover up something he was doing...

And Tinkleflower.....maybe XanaX disagrees with some of Icke's crazy ramblings but some of the stuff that Icke posts on his sites is not his thoughts but just him printing the thoughts of others....so maybe he agrees with some of the stuff that Icke is simply repeating.....not with Icke's craziness such as Reptiles and Matrixes and other nonsense....

XanaX, you stated at the opening of this thread that the concept of a reality "matrix" is being taken from the movie of the same name. The truth is that the idea of "reality" not being reality is more ancient than most world religeons. The Hindu concept of maya, or illusion, explains just this, that all we percieve is only the way it is because we percieve it to be as such.
If you take a look at Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle you can see this in action. zebu.uoregon.edu... Considering how little we know, comparitively, about the quantum state of matter, think it's reasonable to state that other qualities other than momentum and position are uncertain depending on the observation. As for the reptilians, it's no more implausable than angels telling Mary and Joseph that their son will be the son of God ;^)

I dont think he is crazy at all.. just another propagandist looking to cash in on peoples fears. i for one woudlnt trust him as far as i can spit, which is acually quite some distance

I thought that he suffered greatly at the beginning of his revelations, lost his position on the BBC and at Greenpeace too.

Surely with his name and in the position he was it would have been much easier and financially astute to remain quiet on his beliefs. He must have known that too. I wonder if even now the money from appearences and booksales has equaled what he would have earnt if he's kept quiet? From what I hear it isn't that financially rewarding compared to what his previous positions would have paid. Didn't his website have to temporarily recently due to lack of funds?

So why then take this more difficult (financially and personally) path in life over a garunteed safe income without the ridicule?

[edit on 25/10/05 by Mark Harris]

David Icke is a sort of reptillian himself: half English David Icke and half American John Lear.

Those boys can shift BS like no one else. (Pftt. shift. hmm).

Both are entertaining, have indifferent backgrounds and enjoy ludicrous observations of the world (and beyond) without any real proof.

With that being said, get out the popcorn but don't be changing religion or moving to the mountains just yet!

Take them both with a pinch of salt, but enjoy.

Brei.