I know dude.. all i know is i made my name first.

Yeah, I caught that too.... Doesn't seem that was necessary at all! Tazer didn't work? On a drunk 15 year old? Bull#! Even if it were the case...he's not exactly coming fast...shoot his damn legs!

I sense a big money settlement in that family's future....

I think that US police is bit too trigger happy, here in Finland this one mentally il dude took over a gas station had some hostages and treathened to blow the god damn place up, then he even shot one police dog with a shot gun.. but our special polices kept their head, and finished the situation by shooting tha man once in leg with mp5.. nobody got killed exept the poor dog..

Oh...

Here, if you shoot a police dog, you might as well have just shot a cop...so you're doomed, hehe.... That guy would have been Swiss cheese here in the states, and a closed casket funeral would be guaranteed.....

All US cops aren't so trigger happy...but there are trouble spots, and the one in this article is one of them....

Cops ARE #ing crazy at times. Don't get me wrong, they're must be a couple of sane and moral cops too.

But the others just seems to be overwhelming. Here, in Canada, we don't even have the right to walk around with guns on us, but the cops will shoot you just almost as fast as they would do in the USA.

Lemme see the Cops has guns and the kid had a knife. Couldnt the cops just use their batons and KO the kid instead of killing him. Granted he would have woken up in the hospital with a bad headache but at least he would still be alive. Bahh who am I kidding the cops would have probably beaten him to death anyway....

Explain me how could 5 armed cops (or was it 3?) could feel threatened by a teenage with a knife (who was actually suicidal)???

What was the kid carrying,a machete?.
I don't suppose the cops could have disarmed him without too much injury to themselves,after all ,knives have a hard time going through ballistics vests........
Sounds more like suicide by cop,he killed himself by having someone else kill him,stupid kid.
Stupider cops.
They (the cops)should all be hung for what they did,hung right there in the front yard of the house they shot the kid at,left there to rot.
Fkrs.
I can't wait till things change,and they WILL!.

Yes. to shoot a police dog here also is as bad as shooting a police officer, as bad crime as.. but they dont kill people for killing animals.. there was this another mental case, at my town actually.. that resisted police, shot their dog.. after that was special unit was send, he shot one special police into azz.. with shot gun.. luckyly only 3 pellets hit.. and the cop was wearing full body armor.. situation here came to its end as cops had enough of it and gasses him with tear gas..

There has been sadly some cases here when police has shot and killed some drunken/drugged madman with toy gun..

And to this kind being shot thing.. why didnt they use non-lethal shotgun ammo to knock the kind out? i shot to the head and it is KO!.. But no.. these used live pistol ammo.. They were just in for the kill..

A swift pistol whip to the head would have been effective and no one would have lost their life. Trigger happy pigs.

He was outnumberd 3 to 1 right?,and they were more than likely using body armor as most pigs do, right?.
And I don't suppose they had to worry about paying the bill for their own medical care since they were on duty,right?.
How threatened do you figure they actually were from a kid with a knife?.
They were either wacked out on doughnuts and coffee,or they just wanted to see if their guns worked against flesh instead of a paper targets,PIGS!!!!.
Too bad that they won't be held accountable.
Too bad that they realise that if they don't disarm us they know these wrongs won't stand.
Too bad the silly sheoples will more than likely give their guns up when the time comes.
they are worried about vigilante justice against themselves,that is why they want our guns.

Well,

First of all, there are plenty of crooked cops. Just not as many as we'd like to think.

Now, a knife vs. a kevlar vest?
The knife's gonna win.
Police-issue vests are ballistics body armor, not stab/puncture armor. They're made of tightly woven Kevlar fabric with a removable hard plate worn at the sternum. Depending on the threat level (most departments use standard issue II or IIA levels), the vests will ideally stop up to a .357 round, www.armacelarmorcorp.com...
but not a knife attack.

If someone comes at you with a knife, your "safe distance" is 21 feet. That means that if someone weilding a knife is within 21 feet of you, they can stab you before you can do a whole lot about it.
This is the standard used in most police departments. In most any locale across the States, if you've got a knife and come nearer than 21 feet from a police officer, they are permitted to use lethal force.
They hit this kid with a Taser.
Taser range is generally 15 feet or less, no more than 21 feet. (remember the "safe distance" above?)
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Don't get me wrong.
I feel bad for this kid and his family. I'm sorry he died.
But the police aren't to blame. They did their jobs, likely within the letter of the law.
That's all the vast majority of cops in this country do, their jobs.

-B.

All of the places to shoot the kid...

a nice leg shot would've subdued him

and yeah, there are MORE twisted cops than you think.

Sorry but, I am going to have to call B.S. on this one.

Actually, the leg is the worst place to shoot someone.
If they're intent on coming after you, a leg shot will only pi$$ 'em off.
This is why cops are instructed from day one to shoot for center mass. It won't always kill someone, but except for the rarest circumstances, it *will* stop someone.
Ask goregrinder if he felt like fighting after taking a slug to the chest.

I come from a long line of public servants, and I was married to a DC police officer until recently.
Trust me, there are less than you may think.

-B.

I would agree with Banshee... Tests have proven that it is possible to cross the distance of 21+ feet with a knife, starting from a face down on the ground with your hands behind your head position, and still inflict a savage strike (even if the cop already has his gun drawn) before he can get a round off.

However, in a known suicide (or Suicide-by-cop) situation, the best thing would be to have 3+ cops, equidistant on all sides, and maintain 50+ feet clearance... try to talk him down, and/or take him down with a 12 guage "bean bag" round. Totally non-lethal, but 1 round will deffinitely take you out of the fight.

The leg is a bad place to aim for, not least of which because its a relatively small target, and easy to miss (and not a given non-lethal shot... your femoral artery is rather large, and if severed, you have seconds to live).

An absolute last ditch incapacitation shot in the lower abdomen would be the pelvis. Most all combat handgun rounds will shatter or otherwise fracture the pelvis... at which point, regardless of how motivated an attacker is, they simply cannot support thier own weight on thier legs... they collapse at that point.

That's a good point, DR, but there's a problem with using a beanbag round.
Not all departments have them.
More often than not, they have 1 or 2 that stay with their SWAT (or equivilent) teams. Offhand I don't know of any departments that have one in every squad car.
It sounded like this event went down pretty quickly, and therefore no time to call in the officer trained to use and possessing the beanbag gun.

Also, the beanbags are best used from a good distance, not within the 20 feet or so it seems this happened. I've seen people shrug off multiple hits with them, so they're not suited for CQC.
They can be remarkably effective, though. Anyone ever see the Jacka$$ movie? Johnny Knoxville took one right to the gut.

-B.

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